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This was surprising to me, especially on the design team, way above average agency compared to other places that I worked at.
And Notino's, by the way, are Notion employees.
Yes.
Sorry.
I want to see your oiled frog.
I would say one example would be someone like Brian Levin, who you should probably have on the podcast at some point.
He was on our sister podcast, How I AI.
We'll link to that episode.
There we go.
Yeah.
You should cut this one short and have him on.
I think the way I would describe it is, and I tell this to myself as well, which is like, okay, do you drive Notion like it's stolen?
Which is, you know, we're not the founders.
We're, you know, coming in after there was already insane product market fit.
But you can still contribute to the company in a way that you feel agency and you're not sort of just like, what's your role?
And so Brian obviously already blurs engineering and design, but he also is probably our number one recruiter in terms of, hey, this is what the org needs.
I'm going to go out and talk to people.